Make Lemonade

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  Why are you looking forward to 1872? Er, 1873? Um...1874? Oh, I mean 1975?

  by AndDontCallMeShirley in

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  "why are you looking forward to 1872?".

  .. "in this chapter we present the bible evidence which indicates that six thousand years from the creation of adam were complete with a.d. 1872; and hence that, since a.d. 1872 are chronologically entered upon the seventh thousand or the millennium.

  " (studies in the scriptures, vol.

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  Make Lemonade

  Watchtower 2001 Aug 1 p.14 par. 8

  "(A mature christian) does not advocate or insist on personal opinions or harbor private ideas when it comes to Bible understanding. Rather, he has complete confidence in the truth as it is revealed by Jehovah God through his Son, Jesus Christ, and "the faithful and discreet slave."

  Watchtower 1994 Oct 1 p. 8 last par.

  "All who want to understand the Bible should appreciate that the "greatly diversified wisdom of God" can become known only through Jehovah's channel of communication, the faithful and discreet slave"
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  "Watchtower's Achilles' Heel" is available in Spanish

  by Doug Mason in

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  2. bible

  the watchtowers achilles heel is available in spanish.. if reasoning with a jw on the governing bodys interpretations such as of the kingdom of god, parousia, the cross, blood, and so on is unlikely to break the governing bodys mental stranglehold, what then is its achilles heel?.

  my study: the watchtowers achilles heel answers that question.

  http://www.jwstudies.com/the_watchtower_s_achilles__heel.pdf.

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  Make Lemonade

  Thank you for your article. Also thank you for other articles that you have written.

  You state the control the GB have over their members very well. It is a fact that obedience to the GB is upheld regardless of the moral right or wrong of their position. For your article to mention 1914 and 1919 brings up a subject that all JW.s should research completely.

  Then to concentrate on what the Bible actually says about the first century arrangements, is a very thought provoking.

  Good job.
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  First year without Memorial

  by sp74bb in

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  2. friends

  my first year after more than 20 years.... it seems strange.

  happy fellings but at the same times feeling some loniness.. is your first one as well?.

  veterans: how do you feel after some many years?.

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  Make Lemonade

  This is the first memorial that my family has missed. My wife and I did not miss going at all. We did enjoy going to visit my Mom, Step father, and sisters. It was a great time. They are overjoyed that we are no longer JW.s. We always stayed close, but a huge barrier has come down. So it is great to be free and enjoying life.
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  607 vs 587 BC - Cyrus Cylinder

  by objectivetruth in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  hi everyone,.

  i'm researching 587 vs 607 for the date of the destruction of jerusalem... i'm not doing the research to prove or disprove anything about 1914, rather i'm looking at these dates in comparison to 1948 & 1967.. what is your view on relying on the cyrus cylinder, to accept 607 as the correct date of destruction... i know that there are many other factors.. but i'm trying to keep this portion of my research as simple as possible, so i'm primarily interested in the appropriateness of using the cylinders date of 537 + 70 = 607. one other question.. is it likely that both dates 587 & 607 have their own significance?.

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  marked for further study
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  I went to one of my previous halls remodel today and they did not recognize me...

  by confusedandalone in

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  2. experiences

  i definitely look like a worldly person by jw standards... however i went to my old hall because they are remodelling and they are in the final p[hase.

  it was not on purpose.

  i had bnusiness on the street and happened to drive past.

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  Sorry that happened to you. Happy you could move on without to heavy a burden.
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  Where were you? / How old were you?... during the Ray Franz witch trial?

  by Zoos in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i was 13yo and largely clueless to what was going on.

  i think i remember hearing something about an apostate being weeded out of bethel but really couldn't have cared less.

  i didn't start getting zealous until a couple of years later.. .

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  I was in my late 20s. Friends who had friends in Bethel told me things like this: "Spanish brothers were secretly partakeing of the emblems". "Some brothers were seeking to start their own religion". "Apostates were teaching that the house to house work was not neccessary". "One of the apostates gave a talk saying that everyone should partake". Without first hand knowledge, I accepted the rumors and trusted that the matter was resolved justly.

  On my list of things to do is to read Crisis of Conscience.
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  Want to know why people accept evolution ?

  by snare&racket in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  do you have questions about or want to understand evolution?

  it is a difficult concept to communicate and so if it is not explained well , it is understandable that we would dismiss it.. i sincerely want to talk with people who want to learn more or see what all the fuss is about.

  we are all learning and increasing our knowledge all the time and it is good to go over facts with critical eye.. evolution we can discuss, looking at the foundational facts and evidence, one at a time for you to go and check, agree or disagree with and return.. no pressure to accept it, you can decide for yourself, also no mocking etc of what you have to say.. .

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  Snare&racket and Kaik

  Thanks. It is all going onto my list of things to research. We started to watch Cosmos. Interesting when things are brought up that have been commented about on this thread. Mutations in DNA producing white polar bears. Humans breeding dogs for 20,000 years. We are slowly getting an education. We will be checking back here often.

  Vidiot: Can you give some examples?
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  The Apostasy Within

  by Ultimate Axiom in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  in the latest watchtower (july 15, 2014, page 14, paragraph 10) it says; today, jehovahs people are not often confronted with apostasy within the congregation.

  still, when exposed to unscriptural teachings, regardless of the source, we must decisively reject them.. so, not often, but occasionally jws are exposed to apostasy within the congregation, and they are instructed to decisively reject it.

  as we all know, the vast majority of the apostasy they are exposed to comes from the governing body.. i am meeting up soon with an old friend from the 1970s who i havent seen for decades, who is still an active jw, and who would really like to hear what i think about things.

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  Make Lemonade

  Ultimate Axiom, you said:

  "Thus for all practical purposes, a JW must treat the FDS as if it were an inspired prophet"

  The above is true. That is beyond question. The testimony in the Douglas Walsh trial speaks to the fact that witnesses have to support error. Like a soldier following orders. All of this is unscriptural when we separate the "semantics" out of the equation. Watchtower writers are masters of presenting two conflicting thoughts at the same time. Also, the pattern is to stop talking about a failed teaching for a period of time, then begin to talk about "new light".

  My conviction at this point is to say that many things I was taught in the Revelation Climax book from 1988 to 2006 are simply wrong. A true prophet, that God caused to prophesy, would not be responsible for wrong teachings.

  There, I got that off my chest.

  Thanks for this thread and the opportunity to say it.
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  The Apostasy Within

  by Ultimate Axiom in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  in the latest watchtower (july 15, 2014, page 14, paragraph 10) it says; today, jehovahs people are not often confronted with apostasy within the congregation.

  still, when exposed to unscriptural teachings, regardless of the source, we must decisively reject them.. so, not often, but occasionally jws are exposed to apostasy within the congregation, and they are instructed to decisively reject it.

  as we all know, the vast majority of the apostasy they are exposed to comes from the governing body.. i am meeting up soon with an old friend from the 1970s who i havent seen for decades, who is still an active jw, and who would really like to hear what i think about things.

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  Ultimate axiom: Teaching that the two witnesses in Rev. 11:3 are the modern day FDS is unscriptural. "I will cause my two witnesses to prophesy"

  Did God cause the GB/FDS to prophesy?

  1925 was not the end of the world as Rutherford and Franz taught

  Pyramidology was taught up to 1928

  1941+ or -, was not armaggeddon, and they should not have "suggested" that people should not have children

  1975 was presented as significant. The publications taught two truths at the same time. When 1975 was not the end they emphasized the disclaimers.

  1914 generation died off

  20th century is over and the end did not come

  All of the above and more show the modern day organization has not fullfilled the definition of being a prophet of God. Rev. 11:3
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  My 45 Minute Conversation With JWs Today

  by cofty in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  as i was saying before the watchtower literature trolley has arrived in my little town.... my wife and i were in town this afternoon and i saw one of my former elder colleagues standing beside the trolley talking to a young man and reading to him from one of their books.

  ray was one my least favourite people - he was everything that is bad about jw elders.

  i went up to them and interrupted and told the man that this is a cult recruitment campaign.

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  cofty:You have to feel good being able to offer help to those you spoke with.